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Post by jaefilms on May 19, 2010 1:33:38 GMT -5
POLL ENDS IN 3 DAYS.... ;D
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Post by aolstudios on May 19, 2010 1:45:37 GMT -5
I was gonna play along but SERIOUSLY? THOSE are the options we're given? The only names worth a damn are Doom, Willie, and Saovi. Willie/Evans has been done before, so 'meh'. Saovi/Evans has been done too much, so 'no'. Technically, it's a no-brainer, as Doom has the right to a rematch. Still, them's some slim pickins  |
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Post by jimmyquinn on May 19, 2010 2:26:37 GMT -5
Just wondering how I ended up on this list...
My vote would have to be for Willie, but he'd have to put up his NWA-sanctioned title as well.
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Post by ryke on May 19, 2010 2:32:53 GMT -5
hey Epic dude, whos to say I'm not worth a damn to pay to see? I deserve a chance... I don't care who says different.. . I was shafted long before I got my reign... Deal with it.. and Yea I would love to see Quinn in the ring against Evans by the way
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Post by aolstudios on May 19, 2010 2:41:33 GMT -5
hey Epic dude, whos to say I'm not worth a damn to pay to see? I deserve a chance... I don't care who says different.. . I was shafted long before I got my reign... Deal with it.. and Yea I would love to see Quinn in the ring against Evans by the way Who's to say? Um. Hmm. Well, given it's MY OPINION ... I'M to say, actually. Your involved in a PUBLIC FORUM for a chance at a title that will be held at a PUBLIC match that the PUBLIC will also probably see online. Can't handle an opinion? You probably shouldn't be involved in this business, Dude. Get thicker skin and lighten up. |
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Post by ryke on May 19, 2010 2:46:51 GMT -5
Wow.. You took it wrong really. All you did on this Public Forum was open the door for me to speak... Do you realize I am not even recognized by people in "This Business" as a performer or a talent, when in reality I am the best representative the IWL ever had .... I am told how un-legit I am on a daily basis and yet I keep fighting it... So I have a thick skin, and maybe now I should start opening my mouth on how "This Business" treated me from the get go...
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Post by aolstudios on May 19, 2010 3:14:29 GMT -5
Wow.. You took it wrong really. All you did on this Public Forum was open the door for me to speak... Do you realize I am not even recognized by people in "This Business" as a performer or a talent, when in reality I am the best representative the IWL ever had .... I am told how un-legit I am on a daily basis and yet I keep fighting it... So I have a thick skin, and maybe now I should start opening my mouth on how "This Business" treated me from the get go... Y'know what? I'm actually interested in exploring this a little. First off, know this. PLEASE take NOTHING I say personally, for that is NEVER my intent. I hope you understand that everything I say professionally is MEANT respectfully. Yes, I can sound douchey and harsh but - again - I do not mean it disrespectfully, okay? However, I think you do yourself a great disservice by putting yourself over in this case. Respectfully, I have done more in this business than probably everyone in IWL combined and CERTAINLY universes more than you have ... yet I still wouldn't say that I've 'paid my dues' in ANY way, shape, or form OR go on about what I'm entitled to do 'in this business'. In the greater scheme of things, I'm NOTHING. Humility, a self-effacing attitude, and TRUE perspective in this bidness can take you far, my friend. There are REAL wrestlers (Tony Kozina immediately comes to mind) who have legit wrestled for over 10+ years easily - all over the world - and STILL have yet to really 'break through'. And lemme tell you, guys like Tony are training 7 days a week, eating properly, and STILL traveling everywhere - on their dime - to make a name for themselves. In the greater scheme of things, YOU - again, respectfully - have done absolutely NOTHING in this business, as well. |
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Post by raze on May 19, 2010 3:54:42 GMT -5
Those are my only choices?
Really?
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Post by ryke on May 19, 2010 4:55:53 GMT -5
Wow.. You took it wrong really. All you did on this Public Forum was open the door for me to speak... Do you realize I am not even recognized by people in "This Business" as a performer or a talent, when in reality I am the best representative the IWL ever had .... I am told how un-legit I am on a daily basis and yet I keep fighting it... So I have a thick skin, and maybe now I should start opening my mouth on how "This Business" treated me from the get go... Y'know what? I'm actually interested in exploring this a little. First off, know this. PLEASE take NOTHING I say personally, for that is NEVER my intent. I hope you understand that everything I say professionally is MEANT respectfully. Yes, I can sound douchey and harsh but - again - I do not mean it disrespectfully, okay? However, I think you do yourself a great disservice by putting yourself over in this case. Respectfully, I have done more in this business than probably everyone in IWL combined and CERTAINLY universes more than you have ... yet I still wouldn't say that I've 'paid my dues' in ANY way, shape, or form OR go on about what I'm entitled to do 'in this business'. In the greater scheme of things, I'm NOTHING. Humility, a self-effacing attitude, and TRUE perspective in this bidness can take you far, my friend. There are REAL wrestlers (Tony Kozina immediately comes to mind) who have legit wrestled for over 10+ years easily - all over the world - and STILL have yet to really 'break through'. And lemme tell you, guys like Tony are training 7 days a week, eating properly, and STILL traveling everywhere - on their dime - to make a name for themselves. In the greater scheme of things, YOU - again, respectfully - have done absolutely NOTHING in this business, as well. Humility? Self-Effacing Attitude? and...TRUE Perspective in this "Bidness" can take you far? Okay look I have never claimed to be all knowing and all powerful Justin Ryke.. I am not in anyway stating I have payed My dues and deserved the IWL title in my second match ever! Sorry never said it... But where would anyone in the this "Bidness" say that humility gets you anywhere? You mention this man Tony Kozina, who I have never heard of, Not breaking through in this biz... Okay... So... Is this example supposed to state the way to go in the "Bidness" ? You work for 10+ years to not really be heard of (no offense to the man I don't know btw). Humility doesn't work, and me talking about myself, well sorry mr. Epic but that is what "Wrasslin" is all about... I mean watch any poor excuse for a NWA video show you... or even yours... It is all about who is on it what they are about! I am not saying I know everything there is to know, because I am a true believer that nobody in this world will ever know "EVERYTHING" period.. experience is just mistakes that are made and you hopefully rebound from... Which lets face it.... I am frustrated Yapp, sick and tired of how it works.. who is to say who "Earns" a spot in the business? It sucks that I was given a chance to run as a tag champ and because of some small talk and giggles behind the curtain, I was asked to hand over the belts because the "Professionals" didn't want to work with me... I am entertainment, I prove everytime I go out to the ring or appear on your computer screen... Humility... Gets you nothing in this "Bidness"... For someone who claims that those attributes get you somewhere, you sure don't follow it... My regards to the wonderful career of Tony K. btw... can't wait til his humility breaks him through... nothing personal... PS: I won't take what you said personal... except for what you said directed at me... that is...uhh well ...personal  |
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Post by mase58 on May 19, 2010 4:56:14 GMT -5
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Post by ryke on May 19, 2010 4:58:55 GMT -5
And Who gave me a -1 Karma? Fuck you dick! I am not negative......
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Post by aolstudios on May 19, 2010 5:37:15 GMT -5
Y'know what? I'm actually interested in exploring this a little. First off, know this. PLEASE take NOTHING I say personally, for that is NEVER my intent. I hope you understand that everything I say professionally is MEANT respectfully. Yes, I can sound douchey and harsh but - again - I do not mean it disrespectfully, okay? However, I think you do yourself a great disservice by putting yourself over in this case. Respectfully, I have done more in this business than probably everyone in IWL combined and CERTAINLY universes more than you have ... yet I still wouldn't say that I've 'paid my dues' in ANY way, shape, or form OR go on about what I'm entitled to do 'in this business'. In the greater scheme of things, I'm NOTHING. Humility, a self-effacing attitude, and TRUE perspective in this bidness can take you far, my friend. There are REAL wrestlers (Tony Kozina immediately comes to mind) who have legit wrestled for over 10+ years easily - all over the world - and STILL have yet to really 'break through'. And lemme tell you, guys like Tony are training 7 days a week, eating properly, and STILL traveling everywhere - on their dime - to make a name for themselves. In the greater scheme of things, YOU - again, respectfully - have done absolutely NOTHING in this business, as well. Humility? Self-Effacing Attitude? and...TRUE Perspective in this "Bidness" can take you far? Okay look I have never claimed to be all knowing and all powerful Justin Ryke.. I am not in anyway stating I have payed My dues and deserved the IWL title in my second match ever! Sorry never said it... But where would anyone in the this "Bidness" say that humility gets you anywhere? You mention this man Tony Kozina, who I have never heard of, Not breaking through in this biz... Okay... So... Is this example supposed to state the way to go in the "Bidness" ? You work for 10+ years to not really be heard of (no offense to the man I don't know btw). Humility doesn't work, and me talking about myself, well sorry mr. Epic but that is what "Wrasslin" is all about... I mean watch any poor excuse for a NWA video show you... or even yours... It is all about who is on it what they are about! I am not saying I know everything there is to know, because I am a true believer that nobody in this world will ever know "EVERYTHING" period.. experience is just mistakes that are made and you hopefully rebound from... Which lets face it.... I am frustrated Yapp, sick and tired of how it works.. who is to say who "Earns" a spot in the business? It sucks that I was given a chance to run as a tag champ and because of some small talk and giggles behind the curtain, I was asked to hand over the belts because the "Professionals" didn't want to work with me... I am entertainment, I prove everytime I go out to the ring or appear on your computer screen... Humility... Gets you nothing in this "Bidness"... For someone who claims that those attributes get you somewhere, you sure don't follow it... My regards to the wonderful career of Tony K. btw... can't wait til his humility breaks him through... nothing personal... PS: I won't take what you said personal... except for what you said directed at me... that is...uhh well ...personal Although you WILL disagree with me, what I am about to say is 100% FACT that WILL be proven in time. Bet on it, because it IS the Gospel ... Justin, You will NEVER achieve ANYTHING in this business ... without KNOWING this business. You not knowing who Tony Kozina is speaks VOLUMES about your knowledge in this business and - for me - puts EVERYTHING in perspective. Normally, I would say that you being 'frustrated' by a business you know NOTHING about would prove to be your downfall. However, you actually have to have an ascension to lead to a downfall. In closing, I'm not mad atcha, man. I'm just sighing heavily and shaking my head. It's times like these where I really DO feel my age and giggle silently to myself at you crazy kids. |
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Post by ryke on May 19, 2010 5:59:46 GMT -5
[/quote]Although you WILL disagree with me, what I am about to say is 100% FACT that WILL be proven in time. Bet on it, because it IS the Gospel ...
Justin, You will NEVER achieve ANYTHING in this business ... without KNOWING this business. You not knowing who Tony Kozina is speaks VOLUMES about your knowledge in this business and - for me - puts EVERYTHING in perspective.
Normally, I would say that you being 'frustrated' by a business you know NOTHING about would prove to be your downfall. However, you actually have to have an ascension to lead to a downfall.
In closing, I'm not mad atcha, man. I'm just sighing heavily and shaking my head. It's times like these where I really DO feel my age and giggle silently to myself at you crazy kids.[/quote]
Painting the picture that because I did not, nor care to know, this man puts me in a position that I do not know anything about this business? Gary... You tell me, what is this business? I would love the true definition of the right and wrong for oh so many reasons...
I was told for years that this business is tough, I get that... I am not complaining about a business I do not know... I am complaining of, again... MY experience so far... I will repeat myself again, I Never said I know everything... And your age is showing, because you fail to see what I am saying....
Mr. Yapp... sir, who cares about that man? Really... I see talent all over So Cal and you bring up him.... Why don't we bring up guys that you felt was worth every body's time... Like... Sinner? Oh man, did he pay his dues... only until recently has he gone missing and you stopped booking him... or is that another *gasp* Wrestling Rumor?!?!?!
Is the NWA thing a way to bring him back? Mr. Humble....
To school me good sir on wrestling is redundant, because there is not a damn person who is going to tell me that to make it is to be humble, seems to me it takes the stroking of the cocks and egos to get booked and respect by "The Pros"...
So yeah Mr. Epic I am frustrated... I was robbed of my chance to be accepted because of close minded and "know it all" Masters....
MY EXPERIENCES in this business deserve to be heard... cause basically it all has sucked.. I am sick of being quiet... 2 years of being friendly and humble got me nothing...Just a bunch of "RUMORS" spread around...
So I will have to just sit back and shake my head at you crazy old men who feel that because you did something 10 years ago.. it is relevant to today's wrestling.... Sorry but a new time is coming.. not a threat.. nor a gimmick... just fact... its life... Deal with it
ps: For anyone to tell someone they will never make it in any business is sad, because WE ARE ALL CAPABLE of learning... I have seen enough to know that telling someone a prediction like that, and not having all your own cards on the table is... just funny.
Nobody is above anyone else... It's just a matter of who's faster at showcasing their talent.
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Post by aolstudios on May 19, 2010 14:30:44 GMT -5
Respectfully - Justin, your response once again - ironically - PROVES my point regarding your ignorance and how that ignorance will prevent you from ever doing anything in this business. I NEVER stated that you would never achieve anything in this business. I stated that you will never achieve anything in this business ... WITHOUT KNOWING THIS BUSINESS. Read the WHOLE sentence and try to actually PROCESS what I'm saying, rather than simply getting so defensive. If you want to be a successful Filmmaker - as Quentin Tarantino has stated - you have to either 1) watch a million films once or 2) watch one film a million times. Point being, you need to UNDERSTAND the field you intend to work in if you hope to SUCCEED in that given field. You don't set out to make a gangster picture without seeing the Godfather, Scarface, or Goodfellas. You don't set out to make a horror film without seeing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Nosferatu, or the Exorcist. You don't set out to be a Writer without reading Hemingway, Rand, Shakespeare, or George Bernard Shaw. You don't set out to be a Jazz Musician without listening to/knowing the relevance of Armstrong, Coltrane, or Monk. You don't set out to be a GREAT INDY WRESTLER without KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT INDY WRESTLING. I had a conversation with a certain 'promoter' a while back who was looking to start his own Indy promotion. The problem? He knew NOTHING about Indy wrestling. Seriously. NOTHING. Know what he knew? WWE and WCW. That was it. He had no idea what IWA Mid-South was, what ROH was, what CZW, Chikara, JAPW, or even PWG was ... and he LIVES in SoCal, ferchrissakes! To this day, he STILL has no idea what he's doing and it SHOWS ... because he doesn't understand Indy wrestling. I was VERY lucky when I entered this business because I had GREAT people like Excalibur, Super Dragon, Josh Lazie, Sabu, and New Jack to help me out/show me things. All I'm attempting to do is teach you, man, but you're SO stuck in 'bitter' mode that you honestly just don't get it. You need to understand the bar set by your predecessors to know where your future lies, for as history has taught us - Those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it. You bring up Sinner? Okay, since you brought it up. Sinner was a wonderful character in EPIC WAR, given his limitations. Basically, he was an online show character; a background character. I take a great deal of pride in the fact that I was able to cater to his strengths and hide his weaknesses. When it comes to actual wrestling matches, though, I can be a little picky. He wanted to WRESTLE. I told him that if he wanted to wrestle, he needed to get trained FIRST because - I'm sorry - he wasn't a good wrestler. It's a shitty, harsh truth ... but it's still the TRUTH. It was also something that he didn't want to hear. He quit EPIC WAR and hasn't spoken to me since. Y'know what, though? I'm okay with that. Does that make me a bad person? To Sinner, probably. However, I've heard that he has since gotten trained and has even told people that - in retrospect - he probably WASN'T ready to wrestle when he originally wanted to. Do I expect him to ever approach me and thank me for being honest with him? Nah. I'm sure he's probably to proud to do that. It's okay, though, because the important thing was that the lesson was learned. You also seem really hung up on this whole humility thing, as though it's IMPOSSIBLE to succeed in pro wrestling while being humble. Off the top of my head, I can think of a number of wrestlers I've worked with - the Young Bucks, Bryan Danielson, Davey Richards, LuFisto, Kaos, Sabu, Christopher Daniels, Brain 'Spanky' Kendrick, Joey Ryan, Scott Lost, Tim Donst, and even Tony Kozina - who are/were humble and simply let their abilities speak FOR themselves. They're ALL success stories, Justin. Are you SERIOUSLY gonna say those guys did NOTHING but suck a promoter's cock to get ahead? I would respectfully disagree with you. I'm sure they would, too. I do agree with you that YES, a new time is coming. However, I betcha dollars to donuts that the chances of YOU spearheading that movement are slim to none. And me? Well, I'm sure this year will prove (and as the previous years have bore witness to) that this 'old man' is still a lil' more relevant than you are but talk is cheap and - in the end - only TIME will tell for the BOTH of us, right? However, we seem to have gotten off track as to what this whole thread was about in the first place, and that's WHO should face Chris Evans for the IWL Championship. The 'poll' that you created was filled with TERRIBLE choices. I offer the following alternatives. How about Chris Evans versus - Watts, Chimaera, Markus Riot, LTP, Joey Ryan, Scorpio Sky, Peter Avalon, and Mal Jackson .. for starters. Any of those guys (all valid IWL competitors, as well) are better options than most (not ALL) already listed in that 'poll'. |
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Post by saovimark on May 19, 2010 17:32:34 GMT -5
Ok, first off, Ryke, you're a cool guy and I got nothing against you man. You've always been nice and your wife is cool. But seriously? The poll is just laughable. Diablo and Quinn? I mean even putting Rock of Love on there would've been laughable but at least they're, ya know, workers? You should've realized that even though Eric, Willie, and myself would always have good matches with Chris, it's been done. This isn't WWF, where Rock and Austin could rival for the I.C. Belt then carry it towards the WWF title. Granted, we could but to people that watch the shows online, they'll be watching it thinking, ''didn't they face each other before?'' Indy is different than "Entertainment". Indy matches get stale after a while. Especially in SoCal since the same guys face each other ALL the time. Now another problem I have is why are you on it? Now yes you wanted to help take IWL to greater hights as it were but everyone wanted to help in IWL. Now while everyone wants to hold a belt, no one said, ''give me the belt and I'll take us to a whole 'nother level". No one said this because we all realized that it doesn't only take one guy to make a show good. It takes the whole card (shut up Doom) from top to bottom to make the show good every show. I was offered a chance to win the IWL title but I respectfully declined because I was co-holder of the Epic War Title and didn't know if I should hold both, thinking that losing at one fed made the other fed look weak. I didn't know better at the time that that didn't matter. Although I think I made a good choice because it gave Doom...Eric...whatever, a chance to run with something and having all that pressure made him a better worker. Now back to the question of why you? See, I trained for a whole year before I set foot in a ring in front of people even though I was told that I was ready at 5 months. I trained with you here and there but you had work and real life problems that mattered more than wrestling. Which I'm not hating on you, you have a family and obviously that's more important. But given that you're not fully trained, what made you think that you were ready to not only wrestle but be given a title and be in a main event? That pissed me off cause' I worked my ass off to get good enough to work and have people want to see me. Same thing happened with Steven. I was told that I was at a point where the rest of my training would come from having matches and learning from experience. Somehow, you and Steven both felt that you were in the same boat. Which as messed up as it makes me sound, is not true. Steven, by the time I left for IWL, had a total of MAYBE 10 practice sessions (and that's being generous). Consisting of him being too blown to practice. And yet, when I was told that and went to Epic, he thought that the same worked for him.....FAIL!!! Nothing against the guy, but it's true. Same with you dude. I practiced with you MAYBE 5-10 times. Again, you had real life shit to deal with. But that doesn't mean that you can waltz in like you're a 10 year veteran, carry a belt and think that you'll grow as a worker out of nowhere. It just doesn't happen. THAT is what all of our (the nay sayers in the back) problems were/are. All of us that have said something, said it for a reason. Cause' we all put in the hours of practice to get recognized and show through our work, why a promoter should give us a run. I'm not saying that I'm so F'ing great and putting myself over but I put my time in to be given a chance to get looked at. And I'm not saying that you can't get better because you can. You just need to take time off to practice and get better. You can't seriously look at your matches (especially the one with Cothern) and say "WOW!! Did you see that!? My match was F'ing awesome!" can you? I look at good matches I've had and STILL say, "man, I could've done a little better". All I'm saying is, stop putting yourself over like you're the greatest thing to happen to SoCal or wrestling in general. Train somewhere and get better. I can point out plenty of things wrong with your matches and I'm not some god given talent worker. I like you man, don't get me wrong. Just stop.
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